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Argument breaks out in fracking session

Simon Jansen, chair of the Western Environment Centre, speaks about hydraulic fracturing in Lark Harbour Tuesday. Cory Hurley

Simon Jansen, chair of the Western Environment Centre, speaks about hydraulic fracturing in Lark Harbour Tuesday.

Cory Hurley
Published on April 24, 2013
Published on April 24, 2013
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The Western Star

LARK HARBOUR  A public information session on hydraulic fracturing in Lark Harbour Tuesday evening got a little heated at times.

Topics :
Western Environment Centre , Little Rapids , Lark Harbour , Little Port , Bay of Islands

With Shoal Point Energy expected to submit a project description for its well near Little Port, a neighbouring community to Lark Harbour on the south shore of the Bay of Islands, Simon Jansen was in town to provide information on the controversial drilling technique.

The chair of the Western Environment Centre repeatedly said he was attempting to be neutral on the subject, just presenting the facts as he knew them, but Roy Rowsell still accused him of being biased. The Little Rapids man said Jansen was an environmentalist looking to sway people’s opinions against hydraulic fracturing.

“If they had a choice to close this down today, there wouldn’t be a possibility they would be talking,” Rowsell said about environmental groups.

“Are they going to give you an unbiased situation? They are not.”

Rowsell said he has studied the process on his own, spoken to company and government officials about it, and he contradicted some of the facts presented by Jansen at the information session.

“You fellows are totally destroying the concept,” he said. “ ... There was not one slide you had up there that wasn’t negative on fracking. If (Jansen) had your choice, the men would be rowing out to the lobster pots here instead of using gas, and you would have left yesterday to come down on a horse.”

Joe Park, a former Lark Harbour resident who now lives in Mount Moriah, argued with Rowsell directly on a number of points.

“This is a bad situation for Lark Harbour,” he said. “It should be shut down immediately, and all the people in this town should be dead against it.”

Park said the oil in the area is not going anywhere, the demand is not going anywhere, so he suggests the people should lobby to wait until hydraulic fracturing is determined to be 100 per cent safe.

“This company coming here has never fracked before,” he said. “So we on the west coast of Newfoundland are going to be guinea pigs for this company from somewhere else in Canada to make a fortune off our lands.”

“ ... There was not one slide you had up there that wasn’t negative on fracking. If (Jansen) had your choice, the men would be rowing out to the lobster pots here instead of using gas, and you would have left yesterday to come down on a horse.” - Little Rapids resident Roy Rowsell

The argument came to the point where Jansen had to intervene and ask the two men to let others speak. John Parson, the town’s mayor, also had to do the same after some left the meeting.

There was a near-capacity crowd at the town hall for the meeting, and many people were concerned about the possible negative impacts the fracking process could have on the town. Some argued there would be little local economic benefits, while there were also concerns about the chemicals being used in such a process, well leaks, waste water issues, and any deterrence to tourism and possible impacts on the fishery.

Lorraine Humber, a retired nurse, said she is scared of the process and the possible ramifications of it. If it goes ahead, she said she would pack up and leave.

“I have big time health concerns,” she said. “I am very worried about the cancer issue. God knows we have enough cancers in this area as it is. I get sick to my stomach every time I hear about fracking.”

There were several people in the audience who spoke in favour of the project, mainly due to the possible job opportunities that would result. However, that drew a lot of skepticism from the crowd.

Jansen said these types of discussions are beneficial for the people to generate the facts and come to their own conclusions. No matter the decision to support or oppose the development, he said it is important the people unite. He encouraged everybody to get involved in the public consultation process when it is initiated, and let their opinions be known to government.

 

churley thewesternstar.com

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    Anna
    - May 8, 2013 at 09:59:28

    Clean Energy Foundation from Poland ensure sustainability of investments related to exploration of conventional, unconventional gas & oil, renewable energy sources in an environmental, social and legal context in Europe. Our mission consist primarily on monitoring development of extraction projects. European shale gas extraction is only in its infancy and Poland is now at the beginning on track for better methods in gas extraction but is one of a few country from the UE in which work goes on continuously. With respect to the explorations and the extraction of various minerals we are the only organization of such type in Poland. Clean Energy Foundation prepared also the Report about Unconventional Gas in Poland Report, concerning legal, environmental and social aspects in Poland. In order to more information about the mission and objectives of the Foundation, please visit website at www.czystaenergia.org.pl and Facebook profile www.facebook.com/Fundacja.Czysta.Energia

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    Anna
    - May 8, 2013 at 09:58:09

    Clean Energy Foundation from Poland ensure sustainability of investments related to exploration of conventional, unconventional gas & oil, renewable energy sources in an environmental, social and legal context in Europe. Our mission consist primarily on monitoring development of extraction projects. European shale gas extraction is only in its infancy and Poland is now at the beginning on track for better methods in gas extraction but is one of a few country from the UE in which work goes on continuously. With respect to the explorations and the extraction of various minerals we are the only organization of such type in Poland. Clean Energy Foundation prepared also the Report about Unconventional Gas in Poland Report, concerning legal, environmental and social aspects in Poland. In order to more information about the mission and objectives of the Foundation, please visit website at www.czystaenergia.org.pl and Facebook profile www.facebook.com/Fundacja.Czysta.Energia

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    Holy Frack
    - April 28, 2013 at 21:00:02

    There are enough chemicals dumped on every woods rd between the port aux port pen and Lark hbr to make fracking look like a tree huggers picnic. Just go take a look for youself, car wrecks, oil cans, dumped appliances, waste paint, etc. We need to clean up our own mess before we can stop any other exploration.

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    Joe
    - April 25, 2013 at 20:14:26

    Any one that do not beleive that fracking is unsafe can check it out for them selves. Go on line and there is an abundant amount of information claiming that fracking is not good for the enviroment or the safety of the people that live in the area. Just do the research. There where several fracking projects stoped in the USA un the past few years because of the invioremental hasards.

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    Jo
    - April 25, 2013 at 00:01:02

    As a geography student, fracking is a subject discussed in several of my classes. I've had the opportunity to see one of the presentations given by Jansen and his colleague, and I feel they were unbiased. Fracking companies are not straight forward in declaring the risks of fracking or the chemicals used. That leads people to assume the worst, because if it wasn't harmful there would be nothing the companies would want to hide. The fact is, fracking is a environmental hazard because of the risk. If there is a leak in the holding tank or pipeline, the effects could be catastrophic; the frack water can spread through crevices and groundwater aquifers, contaminating soil and water wells. Fracking isn't a sustainable practice, and oil isn't a perpetual resource. Any jobs initially created will be temporary. Once the oil is gone, so are the jobs, and we'll be left with unemployed people and likely have the company's mess to clean up. Our province has no regulations that apply specifically to fracking. This is a terrifying thought. Many places have bans or moratoriums on fracking and others have strict regulations. We have nothing to that effect.

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    Paul
    - April 24, 2013 at 22:38:36

    Here's the thing(s) that bother me. I'm trying to hear BOTH sides of it. The company is not going out of its way to make presentations to people like myself. I want to hear about all the good of it... share it with me, Black Spruce Energy or Shoal Point Energy! I want to hear it is okay, but you've all been doing everything underhanded like it's some big secret or something. If it is such a safe and worthy procedure (I WANT to believe this is true): Be there when meetings take place. Ask to give a slideshow and a presentation so that people are comfortable with it. Do it WITHOUT environmentalists... I would appreciate it! The fact that the company gave a meeting in Corner Brook with the business community with little/no regard for the citizens in the area doesn't give me a great impression either. If I'm so wrong, change my mind! I keep asking someone to explain how it's so safe and harmless, and NOBODY has been able to reassure me of that. They just go on a rant of how environmentalists are wrong and that their research is out-dated. Well, let's assume that "is" true. Black Spruce Energy, Shoal Point Energy or both can explain in their own words how it is so good for the region. Give the presentation and I will be there (as will many others). People like me WANT to believe in it. You just aren't trying to market the procedure. You are treating the citizens like they don't matter. How do you think that makes me feel about how you would treat the land????

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    Mike
    - April 24, 2013 at 20:54:40

    It's common knowledge that Fracking Fluid contains Cancer Causing Chemicals.. And that's the Chemicals We Know About...How Bad are the Ones They Won't disclose to Us? "While not all hydraulic fracturing operations or all chemicals used in the process are disclosed by the drilling industry, thanks to the lack of a uniform national disclosure law and exacerbated by the liberal use of “trade secret” exemptions, known cancer-causing substances such as naphthalene, benzyl chloride and formaldehyde were used in 34 percent of all fracks reported by industry to FracFocus.org."

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    GoldenBear
    - April 24, 2013 at 18:39:11

    I see and understand both sides of this debate. Eventually a choice will have to be made, either way. Until then please be clear on the facts....Little Port is part of Lark Harbour, not next to it!! I am Native and from Lark Harbour , I currently live in Alberta where the petroleum industry has dominated the province. I plan to return, I hope it survives. Here industry stands out as dirty in urban areas. It will clash with nature even more so. Poor air quality, toxins, gases,carcinogenicity agents etc. abound with fears galore: environmental upheaval , water and land contamination to the obscure claims of chem trailing in the skies here regularly. Personally I feel healthier in Lark Harbour. Then there's reality, what will the town benefit from this...they better offer better to sway the opinion obviously. They (oil) shouldn't feel like the people are desperate and will readily take their bait. In fact, they would do well to remember the area also turned down copper opportunity for the same reason..preserve the natural resources,not exploit them. Big concern for me is the structure of the south shore roadway....it is small, lots of turns, lots of hills , absolutely breathtaking. It's bad enough that supply trucks for local stores and fishery production vehicles share the same road as little children plaving. No sidewalks, some learn to ride bike for the first time on these same roads. So I would like to know how all this is going to grow the area without damaging the few thousand people living there. Are there going to be tankers traversing these roads or is it going to sea transport , both are scary. I'm pretty ignorant on the whole deal and I look forward to learning more about it. I hope the trans-national pipeline goes ahead in western canada...but just last night I had a dream...I was lifted up,up, up, like zooming out on google maps. I looked down to see a pipeline spanning the continent and thought: I hope it doesn't leak ever, they better maintain it, no one sabotage it please, where is terrorism going these days....then a small meteor came crashing down and punctured it and the land was spoiled .a pipe that length has a lot of risk indeed not to mention....land moves. After all this , I can call it all one big nightmare. Reality, the globe is changing,can it actually be stopped?, it's a gamble. I hope it works out.

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    Ed. Nasty
    - April 24, 2013 at 13:52:33

    i find it very disturbing that you identify yourself as a retired nurse but still imply that fracking causes cancer when there is no evidence to show that to be true. stop spreading fear without the facts to back it up. if you have the facts to back it up i am a cancer survivor so i would be the first to join your fight. if you don't please stop using cancer to take cheap shots. in case you don't know it is very serious to people that have been touched by it.

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      icehockeyup
      - April 24, 2013 at 21:17:47

      so ed. nasty...what makes you so sure she's not right? research before you comment!!

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    Euphemia
    - April 24, 2013 at 13:51:09

    HOW MUCH IS YOUR GROUND WATER WORTH $$$$$$$$ it is priceless. DO NOT FRACK the EARTH, YOU WILL SPOIL/ruin all THE GROUND WATER with all those chemicals used AND LEAVE BIG POCKETS THAT CAN CAUSE BIG SINK HOLES and fracking has been known to cause earthquakes. After all the money is gone your water is ruined and your children's children will wonder who sold them out and destroyed the water. The fracking co. will move on to other areas to destroy more... No fresh water no life... Do not frack,it crackes the earth's crust, the water deep inside is ruined with chemicals. Ground water polluted, God is watching to see who hurts the Earth, our home our planet for such a little time. Lets leave it better than we found it. BE Firm, BE strong,stick together, the $$$$$$$$ money hunger will want to sell you out, they will sell out their own families, but we know our water is our life blood . Do it for the children not yet born, save the water. Blue Gold ,check out youtube videos on fracking all over N. America. See the tears of those who see it first hand,educate yourself on Fracking.

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    call a spade a spade
    - April 24, 2013 at 12:33:51

    Mr. Rowsell's approach may have been a little salty but the point he was trying to make has merit. Mr. Jansen should NOT be presenting himself as unbiased when he clearly has a very strong bias - it hurts his credibility. Mr. Jansen should stop misleading and let people know up front that he is strongly anti-fracking. PS: I myself am anti-fracking.

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    roy rowsell
    - April 24, 2013 at 12:05:09

    hello jas hoping you are not one of Simons people writing a comment for him. It hard to get the facts out when you are dealing with Simon's group. I got an email for the unin. session told " The room would benefit from having people with a variety of opinions present." So i went with my binder of neutral info. Made a comment then was told that they didnt have time for me to oppose their info and if I didnt like it i could leave.So this time I took the questions and answer sheet that i handed out to those people that asked . Wishing now i had made more then 25 copies. If i belittled Simon then I'm sorry Simon. Telling people to check with their company to see if earthquakes are covered when nearly all of the info out on fracking indicates they are not related. I saw the worry created out to port au port by these groups and dont want the people in lark harbour and york harbour to be feeling that way as well. Wishing i wasnot so math inclined and could write and speak better i would have the information out better. If anyone wants what i call unbias information email me at roys4frak hotmail.ca

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      Jas
      - April 24, 2013 at 15:47:45

      Hi there Roy, No, I am not affiliated in any way with Simon... I feel that both sides have information that needs to be discussed and addressed.. If you were not a part of the information session, I think that is a crime as well.. Waying out all of the details from both parties and making an informed decision based on the facts would be the most benificial way of approaching this issue. Thanks

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    Justin
    - April 24, 2013 at 11:21:20

    I do not understand some people here on the west coast. The majority of people want to turn down anything to do with economic development. People don't want change. The older residents want the status quo of the retirement communities that our west coast towns currently are. And these folks will be the first ones to complain when government takes away some of the services we currently have due to declining numbers of young people in our schools and declining populations of our towns. People should realize, with economic and industrial development, there comes revenue and money for services such as education, health care, infrastructure such as paved roads and water treatment. It also provides opportunities for young people to stay right here and work and raise families. I agree that people should ask the tough questions about environmental concerns but please keep your eyes wide open and think about the positive impacts this can have for this region. If this fracking method is done using proper and safe methods and procedures it can bring a wealthy and prosperous future for the western Newfoundland region.

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      Alison
      - April 29, 2013 at 15:24:51

      There is lots of economic opportunity without potentially harming ourselves or our environment. I would like to see us feed ourselves from our own shores for a start.

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    Simon Jansen
    - April 24, 2013 at 09:45:12

    I will gladly email the presentation to anyone who in interested in seeing the slides. The presentation is designed to encourage the public to ask some hard questions to ensure the safety of our communities, workers and the environment. I will also gladly email anyone interested the sources of the information that was presented. The presentation is free of charge and available to any group, no matter how small or large. Simply contact: info wecnl.ca We also encourage people with factual information that support hydraulic fracturing to include that information into the conversation. A comprehensive list of resources and information can be found in the top right corner of https://www.facebook.com/SaveGrosMorne

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    Jas
    - April 24, 2013 at 08:18:32

    “ ... There was not one slide you had up there that wasn’t negative on fracking. If (Jansen) had your choice, the men would be rowing out to the lobster pots here instead of using gas, and you would have left yesterday to come down on a horse.” - Little Rapids resident Roy Rowsell.... I think that Roy could have had a better way of explaining his side of things rather than belittling somebody. Present evidence that will explain the positive sides of fracking, not assuming you know this individual.. Facts, not belittling....

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      Kevin
      - April 25, 2013 at 20:18:58

      That's because there is nothing posative to show about fracking. You were shown the evidence and you still do not understand the facts. make no wonder Newfoundland is in the mess it is in with attitudes like this.

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